Maggie: This is Katy Hanson. She is
an old reporter for…
Katy: For various newspapers. Do
you want to know the names of all of them?
Maggie: No, that’s fine. Who or
what inspires you as an author?
Katy: Well, I guess there are
different authors. In terms of novelists, my favorite is Ernest Hemingway. He
inspires because of the way he writes; he writes in very short, terse prose,
but his writing is very powerful without it being long and drawn out. For
Journalists, I like a lot of female journalists because, well, I’m a woman.
Maggie: And a journalist.
Katy: Yes (laughs) I guess you
could talk about people like Nelly Blide; she kinda broke the mold for female
journalists. She went undercover into an insane asylum and she exposed the
conditions in insane asylums and stuff like that, which was really for that day
and age.
Maggie: The next question is very
similar, who or what motivates you as an author?
Katy: What motivates me is the idea
that people need to know what’s going on in the world, and that we have a duty
to expose injustices and we have a duty to also let people know about good
things going on in the world. What drew me to journalism in the first place was
that I thought it was the perfect crosshair between current events and writing,
which I have always loved and history also. I’ve always felt this deep sense of
responsibility towards the public when I’ve written. I needed to do justice to
my readership and the people I’m writing towards that I had to be as honest as
possible and do as much research as I could and get every side of the story
because the public needs to know. When I’m writing about current events, about
politics, about education, that’s the point of journalism to expose injustices.
Maggie: Okay, we already answered
this one, but what books and authors influenced you the most as an author? But
Ernest Hemingway…
Katy: Ernest Hemingway. I guess
current journalists that I really like…
Maggie: Brian Williams (laughs)
Katy: No (laughs) he is not one. I
really like, in terms of reading journalists, David Brooks from the New York
Times. He’s really good. He’s outspoken about his political beliefs, but he’s
not radical, which I think is really important. Also, Hemingway was a wartime
reporter, and that really influenced the rest of his life. I mean that’s the
main reason he was extremely depressed; he had seen a lot of things that just
completely colored all of his writing.
Maggie: Okay, so most often, how,
when, and where do you write?
Katy: Interesting question. I write for a job, so I write anywhere that
my assignment takes me. How I write I guess is I interview first, so I would
record an interview. Usually, it’s recording in tandem with writing notes in
shorthand. I usually have a photographer with me, and I record so I can get
details down but my notes usually are getting my favorite quotes. These are the
things that I find the most interesting, and that I think readers would find
the most interesting, things that are maybe unexpected or that I think would
make a great introduction, things that are colorful or that really hook a
reader in. I always try to have a conversation with someone. My favorite
writing is features writing, so that makes it easy to have a conversation with
somebody. Then when I’m driving back to the office to write I try to think of
an introduction first because without a lead its hard to write the rest of the
story. Once you have the lead, everything else follows suit. Does that answer
enough of that?
Maggie: Yeah! So this is a good
question for you as a journalist, how is technology changing print culture,
specifically authors and readers?
Katy: Well, that’s really why I’m
not in journalism anymore. To me, it’s a vicious cycle, as cliché as that
sounds. There’s an expectation from readers now that… there’s a culture
nowadays that has started because of the internet and it’s a culture of people
wanting everything quickly and wanting it now. That’s true of information as
well. Even with newspapers, most newspapers nowadays want to be pertinent. They
have an online edition or they have a website and so instead of making that their secondary source, they have
put a lot of precedence on their online edition or their website and its
constant deadlines because readers are comparing that to a television news
source which will always be updating immediately because that’s the way they were built, but traditionally
newspapers have always given more detail. They don’t give sound bytes. They do
a lot more research. So there’s a dichotomy there, and a lot of pressure for
newspaper reporters because you’re expected on one hand to be giving more
detail by editors and readers, but at the
same time you are expected to be giving it at the same pace that a tv station
would be giving it.
Maggie: Which is less checked.
Katy: Yeah, which is difficult to
do that, because tv reporters often just get a sound byte or some B-role
footage and that’s all that people expect. They get something that’s fast and
sensational, but they don’t check their facts or they don’t do a lot of
background information and people don’t need that necessarily. So there’s that
aspect, as well as the fact that people just don’t want to hold the newspaper in
their hands anymore. They just want to read it on the Internet, but the adds on
the internet does not pay for half as much as ads in the actual paper. You
can’t get nearly as much information on the internet; you have to click through
four pages just to get as much detail. So it’s a really interesting dichotomy,
and it’s a lot of pressure. With constant deadlines and the expectation that an
editor can call you at anytime of night to put up a story on the internet to
keep up with the tv, you are rundown constantly but you aren’t paid accordingly
because newspapers are struggling because they are no longer printing papers as
much and internet ads don’t cost as much, It’s a vicious circle.
Maggie: That’s really depressing.
Katy: It is very depressing, but
most people who do it are super passionate about it so they do it anyways and
that’s the hardest thing: you do it because you love it, but it eats up your
life .
Maggie: So when you write, who is
your intended audience?
Katy: Most of the time, I wrote to
a smaller audience. I wrote in a small market, and so the first professional
job that I had I wrote around 90,000 people. I wrote to a county. We went to a
couple of different counties. Our paper served a couple of different counties.
The second one I wrote to again a small audience, but about 150,000. It was a
marine corps base.
Maggie: That doesn’t seem small.
Katy: Well, for a paper that is.
That was a daily newspaper, and the first was a biweekly. They were both older
audiences, mainly baby boomers who don’t usually go on the internet to get
their news.
Maggie: Yeah, Millenials usually
don’t usually get newspapers to get their news.
Katy: Yeah, the only time they read
our stuff is when there is something specific that they are seeking out or when
there’s breaking news, they Google it, and then they find us. That was a lot
when I was doing cops reporting, they would find my stuff a lot. Or, they had a
child in the newspaper, so they would seek my stuff out. Mainly, though, the
older people just used the regular newspaper.
Maggie: How is the current
technological revolution changing your audience?
Katy: It’s not changing my
audience. I mean, for the most part, people who read newspapers are not going
to stop reading newspapers. They are not going to get digital editions. People
who read on the Internet will visit the page very once in awhile, but they’re
not going to be regular visitors. That’s the problem with newspapers and why
they’re struggling so much. You have big papers like the New York Times that
are always going to sell papers, but smaller papers are not going to have that.
There’s this idea that small town papers serve communities in a way that
national papers cannot do because they bring small town news, but there are
small town tv stations that do that just as well.
Maggie: So people would rather
watch something than read it.
Katy: Yeah. So it’s really just the
baby boomer generation and they’re not going to stop reading the newspaper and
they’re not going to read it in a different format because they’re not part of
the technology generation, That’s the constant struggle.
Maggie: So what do you think
reading and authorship will look like fifty years from now?
Katy: Unless there’s some sort of
major revolution in the way newspapers are consumed, then I think it could be
completely dead. I have no idea what that will look like.
Maggie: How long did it take you to
get a job in the publishing industry?
Katy: Well, I had one right outside
of school, but it was unpaid. I was the editor and chief for the national
senior games. It was like the senior Olympics. They needed an editor for their
newspaper for their summer Olympics. They were too poor to pay me, so I did it
for free. It was a great experience, and while I was doing that I got my first job.
While I was in college, I was the editor of the school paper. When I got
married and moved to North Carolina, I didn’t have a job for four or five
months, but then I made contact with them up there and got a cops job. The
turnover rate is so high in newspapers because you get so burnt out so fast
that newspapers are constantly looking for new people to abuse. So it’s not
hard to find a job.
Maggie: So how much did your
manuscript or beginning articles change by the time they were published.
Katy: When I first started out, a
fair amount. It’s learning the AP style, but for newspapers its all the same
style. Each paper has its own quirks or house style that you have to learn, but
all newspapers in the US subscribe to the AP style. Once you learn that, which
I learned in college, it’s not that hard. And I was an editir. I used to do too
many quotations, like a quote then a statement then a quote, and my first paper
was like, “you’re doing too many quotes. Just state what happened.” I had to
learn that.
Maggie: So do you have an outline
in your head or does it change each time?
Katy: No, I guess it’s easy to fall
into a rut, but when you’re doing cops reporting there is a formula for doing
that. You’re not going to get crazy with that. You’re not going to get poetic
on a story about a guy getting arrested for assault. When you do features
reporting, you want to get creative and that’s what I loved about it. It was my
favorite, and I was our features editor in North Carolina and that was really
my bread and butter. I got to think out of the box.
Maggie: So do you have a specific
writing process or do you just write?
Katy: No, like I said I just try to
tailor the story to…. It depends on what I’m writing about. If I’m doing a cops
piece then there’s a formula, but if I’m doing features then what I try to do
is try to get to know the situation or the people I’m writing about. I used to
write about couples, like we had an anniversary section and I would sit down
for two hours with a couple and try to get to know them as a couple so in the
story I tried to really reflect them in the story in my writing. So my writing
style would change depending on who I thought they were as a couple. So I never
really had a process, just getting to know them and reflecting on them in the
story.
Maggie: So do you have any writing
habits or rituals that you follow? Like lighting a candle?
Katy: No, there were times when I
was super in the grove and didn’t matter what was going on around me like a
shooting or yelling, I was just in the zone. Other times, I had to put on
music. As long as I’m sitting at my desk… Sometimes I would have to write a
whole story and print it off and look at it and hand edit it. That is one thing
I would do if it just wasn’t gelling.
Maggie: So you have written in
multiple genres?
Katy: Yeah, I have done education,
cops beat, sports, features, and then regular beat stuff.
Maggie: So if you had to go back
and read your first publication…
Katy: No (laughs) I wouldn’t enjoy
it. Very embarrassing.
Maggie: So any other jobs in the
field of writing other than journalism? Short stories?
Katy: No, but I’ve thought about
it. As a kid, I always wanted to write books, and I still think about it. I
want to do that, but that’s a lot of time, Very scary. Very different. It’s
different writing something that long. Writing fiction vs. nonfiction, writing
under a deadline, just everything is different about it.